Chrisb ([info]suddenlynaked) wrote,
@ 2008-03-04 22:42:00
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Preparing myself to vote for John McCain
While there is still a long way to go and Obama is still ahead (as of this point in the evening he's lost the TX primary but is ahead in the TX caucuses) the primary is not yet the knockout I'd hoped for.

The more I delve into Obama's votes, the more I like the guy. Hillary pulling out all the stops, and playing every dirty card she's been able to find has proved herself entirely unworthy of the office she seeks.

I'm not looking forward to another installment of the Reagan / Bush / Clinton / Bush / Clinton? soap opera that is Amerika (TM)the total merger of corporations and government. The idea od listening to this shrill harpy give the conservatives everything they want for the next four to eight years may be too much to keep me tied to the US.

The only thing that gives me ANY kind of hope is that should McCain get elected, he won't have to spend the presidency proving to the conservatives that his dick is bigger than anyone else's - which I believe in every part of my being what Hillary is going to do - and thus *might* stand a chance of pulling us out of Iraq. Hillary coming from the side of the party that shows it's strong by capitulating to the neocons, will have us there for 1000 year reich. How many deals do you think No-protest-zone-Billary had to make to escape impeachment?

I'm not saying Obama is a definate - all he his is a *chance* to put someone in power who doesn't have years of deal making with the traitors that have sold this country into the shitpile it's become. I disagtree with 90% of everything McCain stands for, but atc least I know the bastard isn't going to tell me he's on my side.

A divided Congress with a majority of Dems and McCain as pres would be better than a unified government with Hillary in the button chair. God, this shit just makes me sick.


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[info]dustin_00
2008-03-05 07:25 am UTC (link)
I don't think we'll know the caucus results until morning. But they can call the vote % as they want.

Even with this "win" she's not gaining in delegates against Obama.

I still have hope.

Cuz Hillary's campaign is: abandon all hope ye who enter.

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[info]suddenlynaked
2008-03-05 07:27 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I think I'm way more emotional about this than I ought to be.

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[info]dustin_00
2008-03-05 07:30 am UTC (link)
It's not the knock out punch either side was hoping for.

But it does leave Obama his lead.

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[info]suddenlynaked
2008-03-05 07:57 am UTC (link)
Yep, there's hope :-)

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[info]dustin_00
2008-03-05 03:24 pm UTC (link)
Ug, now they're saying we won't know the Texas caucus results for a couple of days.

Wow.

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[info]radven
2008-03-05 08:18 am UTC (link)
I couldn't agree with you more.

The longer this goes on and the dirtier Hillary plays, the less likely I am to be able to stomach her.

I want Obama, but I think I could tolerate (and trust) McCain more than I could Hillary.

I sure hope it doesn't come down to that choice.

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[info]stardragan
2008-03-05 02:32 pm UTC (link)
If it comes down to the choice of McCain or Clinton, I won't vote for either. If people would wake up to the fact that we don't have to vote for the major partys than maybe things would start to change.

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[info]suddenlynaked
2008-03-05 02:52 pm UTC (link)
That's the problem with a winner take all system, and why 60% of the population doesn't have a voice.

I feel the same way except voting does make a difference. Reagan's "landslide" was won by a few more votes here and there.

Od course there is also a reasonable argument that says voting just validates a corrupt system, and that's true too.

Maybe the best thing to do really is to withdraw... Move to Amsterdam and watch from the sidelines while the parasites eat away at the intestines of a country that had some potential at one point.

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[info]stardragan
2008-03-05 03:11 pm UTC (link)
If we got rid of the electoral college and just went on popular vote I think it might help. Or maybe we really do need to start Cascadia.

Our system is broken in more ways than one. As long as we have elected officials that don't listen to the people they are supposed to represent it can't be fixed. Lobbyists need to be thrown out for one thing. How many times, just in our state, have we seen something voted down only to be done anyway.

By the way it was nice to see you guys on Saturday.

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[info]mholmesiv
2008-03-05 07:49 pm UTC (link)
It needs more than a winner takes all non-electoral-college system too.
What the US needs is a true representative democracy. Allocate seats according to the percentage of votes the party got. Don't vote for people, since that becomes a popularity contest, vote for a party, since that allows you to go vote on platform.

In South Africa, The president is chosen by congress, and is from the party with the biggest number of votes. Any party with more than a certain percentage of votes gets a vice president slot. (We had two vice presidents at one stage)
House seats are allocated by percentage of votes. Heck, even the soccer party got one seat in the house. What it means is that people feel free to vote for the party they actually like, unlike in the Us, where a vote for a third party is a wasted vote at best, and at worst, a split vote that causes your second choice to lose.

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[info]sgoilear
2008-03-05 04:53 pm UTC (link)
My vote's been for a non-R/non-D Presidential candidate in '88, '92, '96, '00, '04 ... and yeah, this next one too, more likely than not.

I'm either too principled to vote for "the lesser of two evils", or too impractical to realize that's the only choice I can reasonably influence. *chuckle*

I'm not sure what it'll take to shake us out of the two-party system -- I don't know that more 3rd-party voting will do much, but I keep hoping!

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[info]see_tree_me
2008-03-05 05:05 pm UTC (link)
Obama's got more than a chance. Look at the delegate math. she can't pull it out of her ass btwn now and the convention. and the more dirty tricks she pulls the more she'll piss off big portions of the party...like me. I'm not sure the PTB will allow her to break the party just because she thinks its her turn. now we just have to fight that much harder is all.

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[info]lisakit
2008-03-06 06:40 am UTC (link)
Being a staunch independent who refuses to declare a party (and therefore doesn't vote in the primaries) I gotta wonder how accurate these numbers are in the end. I will wait for the final ballot and I am not above writing in a name whether the party voted to put the person on the ballot or not.

I still believe in my country, wrong as it's been. I believe in the processes our founding fathers (and mothers) put in place. And I believe in people like you who fight to make sure our country retains that which made it great.

As attractive as Amsterdam is I hope you don't give up on us.

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