Chrisb ([info]suddenlynaked) wrote,
@ 2008-02-08 10:45:00
Previous Entry  Add to memories!  Tell a Friend!  Next Entry
Why I'm Caucusing for Obama tommorrow
Hey folks - political junky that I am, I still don't send out "missives" to people I know very often. But this Saturday's primary caucus may decide who will become the next President. Anyone that knows me, knows I'm a lefty.
A perspective that rings true for me is Lakoff's definittion of
liberal: "Using the common wealth, for the common good so that individuals can meet their goals."

It's a hard time to be any kind of idealist these days and we're now down to Obama v Hillary.

I'm disturbed by a few things that Obama has done and said. I don't like his religiosity, I don't like some of the political stances he's taken
around gay marriage, even though he supports civil unions. I do like
much of what's he accomplished in his time in the Senates of both Illinois and the US Congress which is substantive compared to Hillary. I like that
he's taught Constitutional law and that he's techlogically literate. If
you have 20 minutes, Lawrence Lessig makes the argument far better than I in
the second video at http://www.lessig.org/blog/

And anyone who writes lines like "Cynics have warned us against creating a false sense of hope, but in the unlikely experiment that is
America, there has never been anything false about hope." says a lot to
me about understanding that elections are as much or more about the general direction of the country than they are about specific policies. I like that
he's been candid about his drug use in his youth. Like more than 25% of
the population, he experiemented and moved on.

And then I look at Hillary.

I like that she's female. It seems like we ought to give a woman a shot at the top job. The problem is I don't want Maggie Thatcher regardless of gender. I voted for Ferraro in 1984.

The top reasons I'm voting against Hillary:

1) Her pivitol role in the Republican-lite Democratic Leadership Council. She and guys like her husband and Joe Lieberman are the reason there is no left wing in American poltics.
They are the reason the Democratic party abandoned the working class in favor of big business and "free trade" and embraced
the show politics of "safe" selected special interest groups.
If we're going to end up with a country that has ANY sense of fairness left in it, we need to un-elect the "third way" Democrats and their version of "Republican-lite"

2) Her vote for the war in Iraq. She (with Harry Reid and Nancy
Pelosi) is a poster child for Democratic capitualtion. The woman has no integrity.

3) Her so-called "health plan" is nothing more than a bonus for profit oriented private insurances companies. It comes down to making it illegal to not pay for health insurance.
Brilliant. She wants to Thatcherize single payer, before it even
gets off the ground. We'll pay more for our insurance, but she won't
"raise taxes."

4) She's pro RIAA, copyrights for big business while screwing the artists.

5) Hillary was on the board of directors of union-busting WalMart for six years. You don't sit on the BOD that long without drinking the Koolaid.

6) She voted FOR the PATRIOT Act. TWICE.

7) She voted for the so-called bancruptcy "reform"

8) If she gets the nomination, she will unite the right wing and polarize the Democrats.

9) She "waffles" on torture.

The big question is: "Will our country be better off four years after this election?"

If McCain wins, we know we're screwed.

In my book, if Hillary wins, we know we're screwed and SHES A DEMOCRAT. I'm really tired of my party stabbing me in the back.

Obama, is the lesser of two evils AND the guy has the charisma to carry the vote.

Please go to your caucus this weekend and vote Obama. Your vote may actually make a difference this time.

Best,

Chrisb


(Post a new comment)


[info]kightp
2008-02-08 07:59 pm UTC (link)
Agreed on all points.

My support was clinched yesterday the fact that both Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh responded to Romney suspending his campaign by urging the far right to vote for Clinton.

They claim it's because she's "more conservative" than McCain, which I'd dispute; I suspect they really look at her as an easier target.

(Reply to this)(Thread)


[info]suddenlynaked
2008-02-08 08:53 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, they want Clinton becuase she be incredible fodder for their target audience. They make big $$ off of "feminazis."

(Reply to this)(Parent)


[info]radven
2008-02-08 10:22 pm UTC (link)
Limbaugh has actually been talking about how his listeners should even be donating to the Clinton campaign to help her beat Obama, because a "Clinton nomination is the only way that we can hope to get a Republican in the white house."

Obama has my vote.

- Chris

(Reply to this)(Parent)


[info]dianthus
2008-02-08 08:15 pm UTC (link)
Thanks! I really appreciate you digging up the info in the areas that the press and candidates are mostly ignoring, like OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES. I worry that Obama won't do enough to protect abortion rights, and I'm sad that I'm not going to vote in the first woman president, but you've given me some more substantial reasons to support Obama than just "Hillary Clinton is unelectable". Which she is. She's got a lot of haters who will show up at the polls just to vote against her.

So I'm gonna caucus for him.

(Reply to this)(Thread)


[info]suddenlynaked
2008-02-08 08:51 pm UTC (link)
Right on!

Here's what he claims to think about abortion and the Constitution:

[An abortion protester at a campaign event] handed me a pamphlet. "Mr. Obama, I know you're a Christian, with a family of your own. So how can you support murdering babies?"

I told him I understood his position but had to disagree with it. I explained my belief that few women made the decision to terminate a pregnancy casually; that any pregnant woman felt the full force of the moral issues involved when making that decision; that I feared a ban on abortion would force women to seek unsafe abortions, as they had once done in this country. I suggested that perhaps we could agree on ways to reduce the number of women who felt the need to have abortions in the first place.

"I will pray for you," the protester said. "I pray that you have a change of heart." Neither my mind nor my heart changed that day, nor did they in the days to come. But that night, before I went to bed, I said a prayer of my own-that I might extend the same presumption of good faith to others that had been extended to me.
Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.197-8 Oct 1, 2006

Constitution is a living document; no strict constructionism
When we get in a tussle, we appeal to the Founding Fathers and the Constitution's ratifiers to give direction. Some, like Justice Scalia, conclude that the original understanding must be followed and if we obey this rule, democracy is respected.

Others, like Justice Breyers, insist that sometimes the original understanding can take you only so far--that on the truly big arguments, we have to take context, history, and the practical outcomes of a decision into account.

I have to side with Justice Breyer's view of the Constitution--that it is not a static but rather a living document and must be read in the context of an ever-changing world.

I see democracy as a conversation to be had. According to this conception, the genius of Madison's design is not that it provides a fixed blueprint for action. It provides us with a framework and rules, but all its machinery are designed to force us into a conversation.
Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p. 89-92 Oct 1, 2006

(Reply to this)(Parent)


[info]xptlq
2008-02-09 04:13 pm UTC (link)
Just a quick comment about that concern -- according to Lorna Brett Howard, former president of Chicago NOW, Barack has (during his time as Senator) a 100% voting record in favor of abortion rights. She's got a video where she mentions this, in the context of switching her support from Clinton to Obama: http://www.youtube.com/v/OVuMYKs8iJs

(Reply to this)(Parent)


[info]pauldf
2008-02-09 03:46 am UTC (link)
I like most of your points, and I was already leaning towards Obama. However...

If she gets the nomination, she will unite the right wing and polarize the Democrats.

I'm a bit confused by this. Why won't Obama do the same?

(Reply to this)(Thread)


[info]see_tree_me
2008-02-09 04:17 am UTC (link)
because he isn't viscerally and irrationally hated the way the Clinton's are. There's a good part of the republican party who will either stay home and not vote or even potentially vote for Obama even though Clinton and Obama's position on a lot of issues are virtually identical.

Its a personality thing.

(Reply to this)(Parent)


[info]suddenlynaked
2008-02-09 09:08 am UTC (link)
I think that's a fair question - see tree me answered in much the same way I would. My eveidence is only anecdotal from converstations and chat rooms, but I haven't seen the numbers of people say "If Obama gets the nomination, I'm voting McCain" or leaving the party or whatever.

Hillary has been effectively villfied by the right wing for years, and they will certainly tap into a deep well of hatred for her.

But, you're right it could be just my attitude coloring my perspective. I've had some conversations with some really rabid anti-hillary people. I haven't come across the same vehemence regarding Obama.

(Reply to this)(Parent)


[info]see_tree_me
2008-02-09 04:16 am UTC (link)
I want to go but I haz the crud and don't think I should be spreading it far and wide. Mae is going and is a hilary supporter (suck) but both Storm and Gloria are attending and are supporting Obama, so at least we're sending 2-1. Storm went to the rally this afternoon at Quest field

On the positive side, I know at least one REPUBLICAN who is voting for Obama because he likes his attitude and his youth. He says he's tired of the partisan fighting and wants someone who can get something done.

So that's something.

(Reply to this)


[info]stardragan
2008-02-09 08:50 am UTC (link)
I have to agree that Obama is the better choice, if only for the baggage that Hilary carries. The whole system needs to be reworked back to what it was meant to be in the first place.

(Reply to this)


[info]lerryn
2008-02-09 04:21 pm UTC (link)
I don't like some of the political stances he's taken
around gay marriage, even though he supports civil unions.


I seem to recall hearing that Obama came out in favor of repealing the Defense of Marriage Act, which is at least a move in the right direction.

Edited at 2008-02-09 04:22 pm UTC

(Reply to this)


[info]xptlq
2008-02-09 04:22 pm UTC (link)
I agree with everything you said in your entry, Chrisb, except for the "lesser of two evils" line -- I haven't seen anything (yet) to indicate that Obama is evil /at all/. This may be yet another manifestation of the starry-eyed optimism that I am so famous for, but I think there is at least a chance that Obama is actually a good guy.

I would like to see a real statesman in the White House. I don't think it's certain that Barack Obama would be that, but it's plausible.

Even more, I'd like to see a man of character and principle in the White House. Lessig's 20-minute video on www.lessig.org/blog argues more convincingly than I could that Obama has a strength of character that nobody else has exhibited, voting against the war in Iraq when /everyone else/ who was up for re-election voted in favor of it.

I don't agree with all of his policies, but hey! I don't agree with anyone's policies! So that's not much of a negative.

(Reply to this)


Create an Account
Forgot your login?
Login w/ OpenID
English • Español • Deutsch • Русский…